Category: Let's talk
I didn't want to open this topic for public discussion at first but it looks like I have no choice because the admin is ignoring my pm about this matter. One of the probably most annoying members (to say the least) has an anti jewish audio profile which hurt my feelings very much as a jew. I'm not very religious, but I hate being described as a monster with huge teath that steals everyone's money, and it's no fun to hear blindguy singing at the top of his voice "kill the jew!" I'm all for freedom of speech, but racism and bashing religions or ethnic groups must be a red line. I'd like to start a campaign to have blindguy's audio profile deleted! All in favor say I.
Thanks for reading and I hope you agree. You don't have to be jewish to be upset by this profile.
Well. I'd say just let it be. I mean. Ther are lots of people in the world that you may not like for one reason or another, and I can see why you might be upset by it, but its the internet really.
Yes i agree with you. I wouldn't like if people said anything about Cypriot or Greek people either. I understand how do you feel.
Star another user created a topic about that but i don't remember at the moment in which board but nothing happened. The profile is still there.
I agree firebolt. I'm Christian but yeah, I mean, true it is the internet but bashing religions is a little much. maybe a joke or two about it would be ok, but "kill the jews?" that's a bit harsh and he should at least tone it down a little Blindguy is an ass.
I am shoure if somebody was agreeing with September the 11th and was making a profile saying kill all the Americans they wouldn't like it and they wouldn't say it's a freedom of speetch. But because it's about another calture they don't care.
That's not fair in my oppinion.
i'm in favour
It's interesting how they'll ban people for calling someone a "nigger", but will endorse other forms of racial discrimination. Like I've said before: Racism is a right of speech, because it's an opinion. If they're going to ban people for nigger bashing, then they should ban people for bashing of any racial sect. If they're going to let bashing happen to some, let it happen to all.
Oy Wraith! You tell 'em! *GRIN* I agree.
yeah I agree with the point about September 11th, if the profile were about that then the admins would have it banned, but for insighting religious hatred or whatever it is, oh no. Well, if you want to be completely hipocritical well go ahead but don't expect support from the site's members.
i am for getting ride of it also
I'm not necessarily saying Blindguy's profile should be removed, I don't really care about the status of it, because everyone has different tolerance levels, as I say I don't mind a few jokes about English people myself being English but of course I have a fine line of tolerance regarding these sorts of issues. But what I do want to know is, would the reactions of the admins in the zone suggestions board regarding the same profile have been the same if the joke was about Americans? and I don't mean Americans making the joke themselves, but I mean someone from a diffferent nationality say for example British making a remark like "throw the Americans down the well".
Or maybe somebody Arabic saying put bombs everywhere in the USA. Would they say this is freedom of speetch? No they wouldn't.
i think the we americans sorta are two faced some of us like if its about us then its bd but when it isnt focussed at us its great as for blind guy he well says shit to get a rise out of people your giving him exactly what he wants as for the removal of his audio profile this site is based on freedom of speech but i doubt there checking tthe audio profiles they probably didnt know and the admens have a hard time responding to pms so give them a break they are trying ok grow the hell up jh is right its the internet gees
actually your not forced to listen to his profile. So I don't see a problem with it, There is an ignore feature on here for a reason if you don't like someone or what they are saying.The admins have a hands off policy here wich is good and I don't think they'd care about it anyway! Plus didn't some hard core christian come up with the sticks and stones deal?
I agree with taz and firebolt. I wish it would be, but the admins think everythings ok all in the name of freedom of speech. I gave it a 1, or at least I think i rated it. I never understood why people hate jews. They've never done anything to anyone, and I am in agreement with Taz, it's an interesting point.
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I don't really think it should be removed, I mean it is the internet, really. I mean, I'm not jewish, so I probably don't get offended as easy, but there will always be people wanting to make a joke or a racist comment, I agree with wraith as far as if you are gonna ban one for racial discrimination, ban all.
I agree with you there Dawson. Everyone does have the ignore feature, and no one is forced to listen to an audio profile. So while to the CL's / Admins ban people for racially disparaging a usuer, when they could instead just tell the victim to bloody ignore the offender? Instead, they have elected to ban people using offensive names for African Americans, which I find rather unfair and one-sided. If we're going to ban people for nigger-bashing, as I've stated, lets bloody ban everyone else who is racist. Or, if we intend to let the other racial bigotries lie, then we shouldn't ban nigger-bashers.
I'm not saying I condone racism, and I don't, but I'd like to see some consistency here. If I went around yelling nigger nigger nigger die, I'd probably be banned quicker than lightning. On the other hand: if I go around yelling Jews must die, Jews must die, the powers that be would just laugh it off.
If you must attempt respect for one race and take offense at their being tormented, then lets equally share that respect between the other races. But if you're willing to let people bash others based on their race, then there shouldn't be any banning of people using the nigger word, or wetback, or white trash, or chinker, etc.
My vote is, as I've stated oft times before, to not ban at all. Everyone has the ignore link, and everyone has the ability to use it. No one has to listen to audio profiles either... Come on. Lets get some consistency in the racism policies huh?
its not just race bashing i want to see gone its all bashing i mean hell i put up with a lot of shit here I tried to work it out with the people but quit i blocked four people yesterday so yeah whats this world coming too anyway
I wonder if certain speech is banned for legal reasons and anyone running an internet message board system like this is required to have such bans in place when everything else goes. Might I suggest, if you haven't already done it, that you private-message the admins personally or e-mail them and ask them why this might be so rather than implying they are nothing but lousy hypocrites. Cynical me believes everybody has had to be a hypocrite at least once in their life, so I don't worry about it. Got better things to do.
people, we'd like to thank you for voicing your opinions about this. When this was posted long ago, we never really got complaints from people that it should be removed, but all of you have brought up some very valid points about why it should be removed, and most of you seem to be in favor of removing it. I will post a message about this as soon as I can to see if we can get it removed, and to see what the rest of the staff think about it. I will direct them to this board as well, to read your posts. Again, thanks again for posting all this, and please, keep posting. I'm interested in seeing more responses in regards to this, even though the general consensis seems to be to have it removed. The rest of you are right as well. We do have a free speech policy, but when it offends, we have to try to do something about it.
While it's good that there is freedom of speech, I also agree that there should be a limit. I mean, it's fine to express your opinion and to disagree with others of course, to make jokes, etc. But it should stop when it gets to directly putting down specific groups of people. I wasn't there to know about the banning of users for putting down black people, but yeah, if it's so wrong to do that, then it should only be fair that it is wrong to have something up that puts down Jews. I'm not saying take the whole freedom of speech away, but there should also be reasonable boundaries, to where it is OK for people to speak their minds if they disagree with or want to question a certain group's way of life or beliefs or whatever, but not directly to target them in the manner that is saying they need to be gotten rid of or killed or whatever that message is trying to say. Blindguy himself is OK, and although I can't say I agree with everything he says of course, he can make some good points at times, but the audio profile even makes me uncomfortable. That's not why I would want it taken off, but it's for the reasons I already mentioned.
I can’t believe this censorship that is going on. Come on people get real here. I logged on when someone had just been banned for using the “N” word but came on only during the last of the discussion that was going on about it at quick notes and haven’t made a reply as of yet but should like to at this point. I was going to stay out of it but given that it is now a numbers game I will cast my vote on this situation. First of all I have not listened to the Audio Profile in question given that for whatever reason my computer is unable to hook up to the audio segments for the main of this The Zone. I will concur to the comments thusly stated, “If you are offended then simply refuse to listen to it and when anyone does give remarks that you can not stomach then again, the ignore feature is there. Use it!” but to take away freedom of not only speech but equally freedom of listening, come on now, so where is it gonna end?
if you dont wanna listen to it, just press escape. its as simple as that.
No it's not working like that. They have to be some rules about it. It's like a tv station playing films for over 18 people during the day and telling to the parents if you don't want your kids to watch turn it off. But they don't do that. Or i don't know in the USA but in the UK radio and tv stations are not allowed to ofend anyone so a publick side like the zone shouldn't allow that. You wouldn't like it if somebody was saying blind people can do nothing so it should be the same for different caltures not just disabilitiees.
Thanks maddog for your understanding to this.
Meh. blind people can do nothing. Let's cry now.
most blind people don't do nothing! there, and that is true if you believe the 70% unemployment thing
I don't believe that blind people do nothing but i wanted to compare the two situations. As blind people we try to fight discrimination against us but at the same time we allow discrimination against other caltures. I think this is hypocritical.
If we want sided people to respects us of how we are and accept us we have to learn to accept people from other countries. That's what i wanted to say.
Are you people completely stupid? Read Nikosdemetriou's posts properly! He is not saying that blind people can't do anything. He was saying that people on the site wouldn't like it if someone had done an audio profile saying that "blind people can't do anything", but yet religion bashing, doesn't seem to be as much of a problem. Basically, his point of view is, and this goes for me as well, to target a certain group of people, whether be of a religion or whatever is alright according to the Zone BBS's way of thinking,, and targeting blind people isn't alright, and oh yes, nobody has answered my question about whether they think it's alright for British people or non-americans to insight racial hatred for a joke towards the American people?
I think ... since this is the internet, we should treat it as such. Most of the people who want to cause problems on here don't have a life and have nothing better to do anyway. Ignore them. That's why the ignore feature is there. Jeepers creepers. The admins might as well take that feature away because of how little it's being used. What a waste ...
-- Allie
People would rather expend the effort that it costs to complain than to take true responsibility and click the ignore link. It's the nature of a lot of people to do it: Complaining instead of rectifying. All it takes is one click of a link, but they'd rather look important and raise holy hell about something so simple.
I agree. If we're already going to get the CL's to police "objectionable" opinions, and if people would rather complain than ignore: Take away the bloody feature. After all, it doesn't seem like the people who need to use it know how to use it...
The ignore feature comes in very handy in this situation. I did ignore that person and still am ignoring him. I did write a pm to one of the admins but got no response until I put up this topic on the board, and yes, I did wait a while for a response. Thank you maddog for what you said. Black bashing and using the N word should of course be banned as well. So what if it's the internet? Do you guys know that since september 11 governments all over the world started shutting down terrorist sites? The audio profile in question calls for hatred and violence so why should it be tolarated? As for choosing to listen or not as some of you stated, I was browsing through profiles of people that were loged in and I heard it because, like many other blind people I was curious to hear the voice. Of course, after listening to it once I didn't make it a habbit to listen every night before bed as a bed time story! CG, is it ok to say "kill the jews" and not ok to mention blindguy's name in case we offend him god forbid? Please... One last thing: I do agree that if somebody from another country said something hateful about the americans they would have been banned. Oh and I do have a sense of humor and tell jewish jokes myself. If it was a joke, I would have said nothing.
Isn't "blind people don't do nothing" a double negative? So you're actually saying blind people do do something, yes? And you're right, I'm a grammar Nazi, so meh! *evil grin*
There are 32 poasts in here and they will become 33 after i send that and about all these things that have been said the only thing that you feel that you should commend was that blind people can or can't do nothing? Whatever the right way of saying it this is not the point. English is not my first language anyway. As i said before blind people wouldn't accept discrimination against them so they shouldn't discriminate people themselves. And anyway in my poasts i said other things such as if somebody was posting about September the 11th that people wouldn't like it and i am shoure the profile would be disabled by now but nobody who supports the freedom of speetch answered about that because you know i am telling the truth.
Perhaps blind people shouldn't discriminate, but they do. We're no better than sighted folks, and we are capable of having hatreds and prejudices and irrational fears and just plain being mean to one another. No, it is not ideal. No, it isn't the way I want it, but I'm not an idealist so I'm not interested in pointing out how things should be like everyone else. This is how things are, and you can either go along with it so that people don't think you're weird or make yourself an example and change it, but don't expect things to change just by wishing or waiting for the other guy to do something.
back to the topic, I've got no problem with the profile, and I'm jewish, jared, keep it up!
I still stick to my guns. This is the internet, you should be free to do what you please, oy, people, why don't you just take a joke, I'm sure if it wasn't about your race you would not be so upset about it.
Well, the difference between someone that for instance, has a racist user name or one that is anti religion or whatever is that you actually can't ignore that. Sure you can ignore the person and everything about them that is on the site, but when you log in and if you look at the user list the name is there for all to see and you might need to see it every time you look at the user list. That's why offensive user names shouldn't be permitted. audio profiles however are different, the same as quicknotes are different, because although you might not like the content, you only have to listen to it once, you listened, you didn't like it, so don't listen to it again.
*sighs* alright peoples, first of all, I want to make one thing perfectly clear. I know blindguy. He was not meaning to be offensive towards jews when he put up his audio profile. He put it up as a joke. Was the joke acceptible? It was by some users, it wasn't so acceptable by others. However, I have seen based on this topic, that a majority of you want it to be removed, so we're either going to ask him to remove it, or we will ask one of the admins, unless the next 20 or so posts are all in favor of not removing the profile, and before any of you get any ideas, I mean 20 different posts, from 20 different users, okay? Don't you all try to post 20 duplicates saying "don't remove the profile" lol I know some of you are like that.
Right, keep going. I'm done.
this'll be the first after that saying keep the profile!
You all know what my oppinion is so this is the last poast for this matter. This audio profile hasn't anything to do with my race but i still disagree with it because i can understand how people from Israel could feel by listening to it.
Thanks.
I really don't care either way.
I dunno. While I can see the offensanive of this profile, this is the internet. What if you are in a bus somewhere and sm omeone says something? YYOu can't walk away from that can you? Of corse after you get off the bus, that part of your life is over, same with clicking the ignore butten. i personally would never post such a thing. If it offense lots of people as it appears it seems too, then I say get rid of it. I personally wouldn't listen to it again, and I wouldn't mind if it was removed. Then again since I realize that I have the choice to listen. I will not listen a second time. Its kinda like anything else, there is an off butten. Just because its there doesn't mean you have to like or listen to it.
I only heard it once a long time ago, but I'd not ask that it be removed even if it bothered me. Why assume that because somebody on here says something they mean it seriously?
This subject is very subjective. I am a christian myself and personally I wouldn't want people slamming off at my religion. But, once and a while everyone on the zone would'v eslammed off at some religion. None of us can claim to be free of this. And also, this is the internet. Ok, people might have some certain moderation. But all of these people are individual people and not all of them can just be controlled all the time. So, I can agree that flogging off at someone's religion is wrong. But, this might just take it out of all praportion.
Those of you who continuously compare the Internet to real life, where "You wouldn't be able to just walk away from people at a bus station": You're wrong. You never have to specifically pay attention to them, you can walk away... if you're on the bus already, there are usually other seats. Same with any other situation. The concept that we can't simply ignore people in "real life" is mistaken.
Agreed, Kai!!! I think that it should all be consistent when it comes to banning people or not banning them for certain things. I personally didn't listen to blindguy's audio profile again after listening to it once. Not because it offended me, but just because he never updates his so it wasn't at the top of the list. So it's not something that I would hear everyday. And it doesn't bother me if it gets removed or not.
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I haven't listened to Blindguys profile and I don't intend to. However, In response to the point about pressing escape on this profile, yes that can be done, but these profiles can encourage hatred. then when people are confronted by these anti-jewish people they may not be able to simply press escape. If it's face to face, they could have to endure a lot of missery at the hands of people inspired by the hatred they heard or read on websites. That's why it should be removed. There was a campaign to get Blindguy removed completely. Obviously he's a prick, and if we're allowing him to be a member, then we should also allow people who think it's great that America was attacked on 9/11 to applaud the terrorists in their profiles as well.
The admin's and cl's will never be consistent with banning or removing something, at least when it comes to blindguy. Blindguy gets special treatment because he and all of the cl's and admin's, at least most that I know, are best friends.
Putting him on ignore is one thing, I have had him on ignore since I found out who he was, I've known him personally. But if u r goin to remove someone for the n word, or for bashin blind people, then religious bashin is the same thing.
yes, I know jared as well, but seriously, it's a fucking website, it's not the real world, don't listen to the profile, and if you had him on ignore, why the fuck did you listen to a profile you're not goint to treat like someone elses, and so? jared doesn't get "special treatment" it's all about what can and can't be said. and for the record, I'm jewish, so throw the jew down the well! if that offended you, fuck off!
WEll, I generally agree with CG. If one expresses one's opinion in once personal profile (which is as personal a space as you can get on this web site) I think the freedom of speech does, in fact, apply. If he suggested we should go out and kill Jewish people or Mexicans or black people or people with red hair may be that's different. I can't say I find it particularly taste ful but if you watch South Park e.g. you see worse jokes essentially in every single episode aimed at pretty much all minority groups. And even saying something about 9/11 should be tolerated ifit's not a direct encouragement to violence. After all the following invasions on behalf of the U.S. havee killed up to 10 times more people and possibly more than that, than died on 9/11 in the U.S. so that particular day is really blown way out of proportion n the U.S. media and consciousness. It is sad and horrible and I would never condone the taking of any innocent life (and hardly of any life for that matter) but I don't feel like 9/11 is the one and only thing one is not allowed to make jokes or comments abaout that are not in line with the strictest rules. Why e.g. is it ok to make cruel jokes against Muslims and Sadam Hussein and Ben Laden, they haven't even been tried in rcourt and have not been found guilty of what we suspect them of doing and if Bush is in chargeofhaving killed 30000 innocent people, why then isn't he bundled in with the same guys. That whole political detour just is meant to demonstrate that people ere in the U.S. at lest have such double standards, this is the "freedom of speech" country and yet every vaguely offensive word is beeped out on MTV, the word "suicide" was even taken out of "Last resort" by "Papa Roach".
How that constitutes "freedom of speech" is beyond me.
I don't really care either way bout the profile and whether it stays or goes but I think the hands off policy and allowing people to ignore stuff they don't like has generally workeed very well, my appologies if that offends Jewish people, Ihave friends who are Jewish and quite enjoy celebrating passover with them, after all it's partly a Christian ceremony as well.
Cheers
-B
The fine line for me is jokes insighting references to murder, pidafilia or rape, I can just about stand anything else, such things as sexist jokes don't particularly bother me, But jokes insighting religious hatred bother me, and I'm speaking as a non-religious person.
I am for removing it. I am sure it was just a big joke by blindguy, but jews have been treated like crap in the past and all this does is fuel hatred. I am not a jew, but this is like in a since promoting the ideas of Hitler. It is disgraceful and wrong to let it stay.
bashing is ilegal on the street so why should it be tolerated here
By bringing this up you have given the eejit what he wants most attention..I agree anti semitisim is sick ..however, you should have ignored his abuse, and that way he'd see he cannot get to you...by getting annoyed you have let the over grown toddler win..
damn now that i see it that way yor right
Lol the over-grown toddler -- interesting term Lol
I'm not annoyed at Blindguy particularly, just this hipocracy on this site regarding what is seen as racial abuse and what is not by the admins or the people in authority on this site. Let's face it: I'm sure all the Americans know deep down, although they'd hate to admit that if that profile was by a non-american, and it had joked about bombing America, the creator of the profile would be banned. However, it seems that noone American has agreed or disagreed with this viewpoint because they know I'm right!
Blindguy did it purely to get a reaction and you lot have fallen happily into his trap ..when will you learn not to take the bait.
yes could be, but the reason I replied to this topic was not to get at Blindguy but it was to bring up an earlier point about certain types of discrimination being tolerated, whether they be a joke or not, and others not.
I'm glad this topic is still getting a lot of replies. Blindguy does seem like an overgrown toddeler. I liked that comment.. I don't know anything about those old issues from the past some of you mentioned, but honestly we should be consistent in banning racism of any form. CG, I don't want to start a public debate with you here because it probably won't get us anywhere so you (and everyone else for that matter) can write me privately if you like. I got the impression that you piled up a million questions to avoid the main issue: that profile promotes hatred thus it should be removed, and yes, there is and should be sensorship on the net to some extent. Sensorship exists in the most democratic countries. Freedom of speech and democracy do not mean anarchism. As a new member I don't know about the politics or special treatment on the site and I really don't care. I'm just glad to know that there are other sensible people out there who see my point. Thank you all for your support! I respect those who disagree. One of them said some unnecesary f words but that's another overgrown toddeler so it doesn't matter what he says. Anyway, cl's and admins, please please remove that audio profile! Removing him from the site may be too much to ask, but at least get rid of the audio thing.
Firebolt your right mate..and sadly banning him is futile as the banned user can log in using another name. Put the numpty on ignore and defeat the purpose of his pointless existence.
I want the sound effects. I want sound effects in general actually.
After reading all the posts I have to say the following: I am very sad. I am sad because of what maddog said. If there were here on the zone 20 racists and they would post "yes, keep the audio profile" the admins would keep it? What kind mentality is this? If there are people out who have distorted ideas, like discrimination, hate, etc. and they decide to voice that you, as intelligent people will just sit back and say "oh, it's ok cause they requested it", right? You create a website yet you feel no responsibility to keep it at a certain level of human and humain behavior? If that is so, then I can only feel deeply sad because you have no idea of right and wrong in spite of your upbringing and education. What kind of adults wil you be? What kind of parents will you be? Sad, very, very sad. Star
One more thing, if blindguy Jared is your friend dear admins, then either you have the wrong kind of friends,or your friend is disrespectful of what you have created here if he comes on here and bashes the very people that keep your website goig and provide you with an income from premioum memberships. If you have such friends, maybe it would be better to have enemies! Star
I am replying to this topic because I think a lot of the things blindji says is afensive. I know there is the egnore feature but why does he have to do things to deliberately upset people.
i do often hear that blind people can't do anything, but i dont care about what people think. they can think whatever they want, cuz as long as i know the truth, that's all that matters. it's just an audio profile, geez! i know for a fact that jared wasn't trying to offend anyone, so if you took it that way, sorry. it was just meant as a joke.
Dont you want to educate the ignorant in the hope that they might change their opinion.
I love the fact that the profile itself isn't meant to be offensive, but everyoen thinks it is. Fine. I will make a profile about killing white people, and noone will care. it's hipocracy at work!
This whole thing is ludicrous. It's been made clear the profile is a joke. Ease up folks. No descrimination and promotion of hatred is not okay. Using a little common sense here, we can gather that someone is not going to turn into a Jew hater (or of any other minority) just because they hear a profile such as Jared's. As for adding fuel to the fire, a hateful person would already be filled with hate and disdain to begin with so a little profile isn't going to make any difference to speak of. Yes it is all well-and-good to try and educate the ignorant in hopes they will change. However, there will always be narow-minded, ignorant, loathesome people, who will never change for love nor money, in the world. It's an extremely unfortunate fact. Thankfully the good people seem to outweigh that horrible lot.
If there were here on the zone 20 racists
and they would post "yes, keep the audio profile" the admins would keep it?
Excuse me? Ok, so because I thought the profile was funny, I'm automatically a racist. You don't know me, and you've never talked to me. Some people throughout my life have told me I'm one of the sweetest people they've ever met. Yet I, Rosie, am a racist. Good one, I applaud you!
One more thing, if blindguy Jared is your friend dear admins, then either you have the wrong kind of friends,or your friend is disrespectful of what you
have created here
So apparently someone that's been your friend since you were a kid, stuck by you, hung out with you, shared good and bad memories with you is now a bad person. And because of one joke, you're willing to completely write someone off. This is utterly and completely ridiculous. Personally, I feel that if a profile's been up a certain amount of time, the case should be closed. tHis should not be happening, being that this profile has been up for a year.
i do often hear that blind people can't do anything, but i dont care about what people think.
Since when was this a discussion about blind people? Drop it already.
Dont you want to educate the ignorant in the hope that they might change their opinion.
So I'm supposed to keep everything squeaky clean because some people are so closed minded. Growing up doesn't mean you become conservative. Growing up means developing your own ideas. It also means getting a thick skin. If you don't like something, suck it up, or shut the fuck up.
This thing is getting dragged on and on for ages. It really is a smart thing to throw dirt at a certain ethnic group and then hide under the cover of "oops, I was just joking". I don't know blindguy and don't really care to know him, but judging by his rood comments on the quick notes and that precious audio profile that some of you are defending till your dying day, I'd say he comes off as a very rood big baby. Insulting people and saying hurtful things just to push their buttons seems to be his idea of fun. Well, I'm not going to educate him. That is not my intention, but the only thing I can ask for is removing that offensive audio profile. Why didn't I say anything for over a year? Cause I only signed up here in October 2005 genious! If he didn't want to offend anyone as some of you stated, he could have removed the profile once he heard that so many people spoke against it. I'm sure he's perfectly aware of this discussion by now. Did he remove it? I don't think so. Right now I have a problem with my computer so I can't hear the audio profiles, but my guess is he hasn't changed a thing there and doesn't intend to unless somebody with authority says so. That's all I have to say for now and I truly hope the admins will look beyond politics and friendships this time.
we have looked past politics and friendships, and we don't see any thing wrong with it. I love how when things don't go people's way they play the friendship card.
Liam, that's not what maddog said in a previous post. He said that since so many people are bothered by this and unless 20 people speak in favor of the profile, the audio profile will be removed. That's what he said in a previous post. What's changed since then?
I gave Liam a good blow job.
well blind guy. you better take it down, but. I'm sure you'll come up with another profile. you should make something that offends everyone equally
Yes Liam, that's very mature.. How about something that offends nobody? Or is that impossible?
well. seeing as it's not my profile.. I have no idea.
Yes, it is impossible to make a profile that wil offend nobody, because people are too easily offended and worry too much about offending others. I'd rather worry more about being murdered than being offended myself. Will offense kill you? Does it last forever? Maybe I'm odd, but first, if I am offended I blame myself for being so sensitive in the first place, and second, I have this crazy idea that my offended feelings will not last forever and in time I will get over them. Again, I admit I'm strange, since most people don't seem to believe this way.
EscenceUvfaith you said: "If you don't like something, suck it up, or shut the fuck up." Isn't that what the Germans did while the Nazis killed millions of people? They shut the fuck up instead of opening their mouth against the wrong being done! You seem to think you are not a racist, yet you promote the same behavior like the Nazi Germans. Can you explain that to me please? Star
Use your head star. I also said people tell me I'm one of the nicest people. Wouldn't that suggest that I don't promote anything that threatens life? My point was, not everybody likes everything you do. And i think that as long as it's not threatening a life, it should be valid. I fully back the community leaders and admins on decisions they make here because they promote free speech and being liberal, and they seem to know when to draw the line. Blindguy is joking. Not everybody thinks the same jokes are funny. Not everybody likes things that people say. I have my lines, and they don't include jokes or most opinions.
you are one of the nicest people compared to who? Blindguy? Just because some of your friends say that it's like proof? I am sure there were people who thought Hitler was one of the nicest people they knew! Star
what does hitler have to do with this. Star. you are making absolutely no sense.
I don't want to open a can of worms here with Hitler and the nazis. I don't know any of the zoners personally so can't judge if they're nice or not. Let's not veer off the main issue that we're dealing with - blindguy's audio profile. Freedom of speech does have a border line just like everything else in life. We're not living in the jungle are we? Essence of faith, have you heard the profile? Did it somehow miss your fine hearing how many times he says "kill the jew"? Liam, we seem to have a comunication problem so let me explain it to you like I'd tell my 8 year old son who seems to be more mature than many people here: you're right it's not your profile, but you suggested (cynically I know) that blinndguy deletes his current profile and puts up something that offends everybody. Then I asked if you couldn't suggest he'd put up something that offends noone and of course I got another one of your "remarkable" cynical replies. so, as a comunity leader who's supposed to have some authority, could you please skip the cynical remarks and address the issue directly? You've already stated your oppinion, but I'm hoping you'll reconsider, you and the admins. As I said before, maddog said the audio profile would be removed since so many people spoke against it. How many times do I have to remind you of that?
Oy... It's been a long time since I've listened to Jared's audio profile. However, I thought it was strange and odd when I listened to it. What's the point of freedom of speech if you're gonna ban an audio profile? Noone said there were rules?
Honestly people... you're strange.
However, I do understand How it could be offencive, but... He shouldn't have to remove it.
Peace to all,
Karrie
The really sucky part of freedom of speech is that everybody has it, not just the people you like or the people who say things you want to hear. I know a lot of people wish to only hear what they like or want to be the only one heard while everyone shrugs and doesn't react while htey're saying the most outrageous things, but that's not how it works. You have the freedom to say something and I ahve hte freedom to complain about what you said.
Ok two things. First comparing EscenceUvFaith to Hitler is luticrus on so many levels I don't know where to begin, I've talked to the girl before and she's not a hitler. Second never in the profile did I say "kill the jew" I said throw the jew down the well, and you could easily repair the broken legs this might cause.
I am not comparing. I was using Hitler as an example to show that just because someone says that "people tell me I'm one of the nicest people" it doesn't mean it is true. In other words it's not an objective opinion. If people would take the time and read, think and understad what I wrote the remarks would have been more to the point. They are not. Sorry, but it takes a certain level of intellect to do be able to understand what one reads without getting caught in words but rather get the full meaning. So, to come back to the point, just because some people think her as a nice person that doesn't mean she can't have racist ideas. And, blindguy, your standing as a guarrantee that she is nice makes things even worst. Star
Star at least take the time to make your posts sound proper with jaws.
I am not blind so I don't need to use jaws. Since you do, figure it out yourself. My posts are to be read by people who read and speak English if your language abilities are minimal blindguy, work on that, too! Star
No, but you can't take the time to make sure everything is at least spelled in a somewhat intelligible fassion. AlsoI'm glad your not blind, we don't want a worthless bitching hourse like your self.
me thinks you've gone off track guys.
while the site promotes freedom of speech, i still don't think it's right to say things like this. In sydney there have been major riets, all because people can'tget passed their prejudices. Is it really necessary to be like this on the net also?
me thinks you've gone off track guys.
while the site promotes freedom of speech, i still don't think it's right to say things like this. In sydney there have been major riets, all because people can'tget passed their prejudices. Is it really necessary to be like this on the net also?
me thinks you've gone off track guys.
while the site promotes freedom of speech, i still don't think it's right to say things like this. In sydney there have been major riets, all because people can'tget passed their prejudices. Is it really necessary to be like this on the net also?
Um, Galileo, thanks so much for your support, but don't you think we got it the first time? *smile* Blindguy is on my ignore list so I can't read his "words of wisdom". Now I'm really sad because I'm missing all the "fun" but I'm sure he's just as "inteligent" and "polite" as he's always been. As for freedom of speech, of course it's there not only for the things you want to here. Otherwise it wouldn't have been freedom, but it's not there to promote hatred and violence, is it?
Um, i was refering to the arguement between star and blindguy.
Whereever there is freedom of speech, it will be abusedto promote hatred.
Blindguy here is what you wrote: No, but you can't (it should be could or can't you) take the time to make sure everything is at least spelled in a somewhat intelligible fassion (should be fashion with s h not s s). AlsoI'm (there should be a space between Also and I'm) glad your (should be you'r or you are) not blind, we (who is we? are you a conjoined twin?) don't want a worthless bitching hourse (hourse? is that house or horse? the word hourse does not exist in an english dictionary)like your self. Finally, I am glad you don't want me. I would have been ashamed if you did! Star
I think this post has dragged on long enough. I rarely do this, but this topic is now locked. A decision will be made reguarding the profile.